Comments on: Another Judas Apocryphon? http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/ A weblog devoted to the study of the Christian Apocrypha Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:44:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tony Burke http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/comment-page-1/#comment-10522 Tony Burke Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:43:45 +0000 http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/#comment-10522 The catalogue editor says the Ms is in "an unsightly cursive Karshuni, but some pages are written in a better Egyptian Arabic hand" (so I meant that the Judas text was not in Arabic) and the incipit is definitely not Syriac. The catalogue editor says the Ms is in “an unsightly cursive Karshuni, but some pages are written in a better Egyptian Arabic hand” (so I meant that the Judas text was not in Arabic) and the incipit is definitely not Syriac.

]]> By: bulbul http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/comment-page-1/#comment-10516 bulbul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:44:02 +0000 http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/#comment-10516 My pleasure, Tony. But I'm somewhat confused now: are you sure that the Judas text in Cambridge 2881 is Karshuni/Arabic? From your original post I had the impression that the bulk of the volume was, but these particular folios weren't. If the Judas text is indeed Karshuni/Arabic, I might give it a go. My pleasure, Tony. But I’m somewhat confused now: are you sure that the Judas text in Cambridge 2881 is Karshuni/Arabic? From your original post I had the impression that the bulk of the volume was, but these particular folios weren’t. If the Judas text is indeed Karshuni/Arabic, I might give it a go.

]]> By: Tony Burke http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/comment-page-1/#comment-10512 Tony Burke Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:29:48 +0000 http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/#comment-10512 Thanks "bulbul." I was considering doing something with the text but have no proficiency in Garshuni. Syriac however... Thanks “bulbul.” I was considering doing something with the text but have no proficiency in Garshuni. Syriac however…

]]> By: bulbul http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/comment-page-1/#comment-10489 bulbul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:41:03 +0000 http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/#comment-10489 Dang it, close. It's the chapter right after the Abgar correspondence: Journal Asiatique, vol. 18, 1891, pp. 256-259, Chapitre VI: Légends Judéo-Chrétienns (you can get the chapter here: http://members.chello.sk/ceplo/Judas.pdf). If the Duval's story is indeed the one recorded in Cambridge 2881 and BnF Syriac 197, 215 and 309, then it's more or less the same story as the one in "The Book of the Bee" (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/bb/bb44.htm). Of course, one would have to check to be sure. I don't know about Cambridge, but BnF has an excellent reproduction service. Dang it, close. It’s the chapter right after the Abgar correspondence: Journal Asiatique, vol. 18, 1891, pp. 256-259, Chapitre VI: Légends Judéo-Chrétienns (you can get the chapter here: http://members.chello.sk/ceplo/Judas.pdf). If the Duval’s story is indeed the one recorded in Cambridge 2881 and BnF Syriac 197, 215 and 309, then it’s more or less the same story as the one in “The Book of the Bee” (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/bb/bb44.htm). Of course, one would have to check to be sure. I don’t know about Cambridge, but BnF has an excellent reproduction service.

]]> By: bulbul http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/comment-page-1/#comment-10487 bulbul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:17:58 +0000 http://www.TonyBurke.ca/apocryphicity/2008/04/20/another-judas-apocryphon/#comment-10487 Three stories with similar titles can be found in three BnF Syriaque manuscripts (all Syriac in Syriac script): 1. Ms. 309, f. 51b (Histoire de trente deniers de Judas) 2. Ms. 197, f. 93 (Sur les trente pièces d'argent de Judas Iscariote) 3. Ms. 215, f. 82v (Sur les trente pièces d'argent de Judas Iscariote). For the last two, the catalogue (http://www.bnf.fr/pages/zNavigat/frame/catalogues_num.htm) also quotes the first line. For Ms. 215, it would be ܐܚܘܬܐ ܕܡܢ ܐܝܟܐ ܐܢܘܢ ܙܘܙ̈ܐ ܕܫܩ̇ܠ ܣܟܪܝܘܛܐ ܛܝܡ̈ܘܗܝ ܕܡܫܝܚܐ The entry for Ms. 309 also refers to R. Duval's "Histoire d'Édesse", p. 105. This I assume refers to Duval's articles on the history of Edessa which appeared in Journal Asiatique in 1891 and 1892 and were published in book form in 1892. No mention of Judas in them, as far as I can tell, but will investigate further. Perhaps there will be a connection with the letters of king Abgar to Jesus which Duval does mention quite a bit. Three stories with similar titles can be found in three BnF Syriaque manuscripts (all Syriac in Syriac script):
1. Ms. 309, f. 51b (Histoire de trente deniers de Judas)
2. Ms. 197, f. 93 (Sur les trente pièces d’argent de Judas Iscariote)
3. Ms. 215, f. 82v (Sur les trente pièces d’argent de Judas Iscariote).

For the last two, the catalogue (http://www.bnf.fr/pages/zNavigat/frame/catalogues_num.htm) also quotes the first line. For Ms. 215, it would be

ܐܚܘܬܐ ܕܡܢ ܐܝܟܐ ܐܢܘܢ ܙܘܙ̈ܐ ܕܫܩ̇ܠ ܣܟܪܝܘܛܐ ܛܝܡ̈ܘܗܝ ܕܡܫܝܚܐ

The entry for Ms. 309 also refers to R. Duval’s “Histoire d’Édesse”, p. 105. This I assume refers to Duval’s articles on the history of Edessa which appeared in Journal Asiatique in 1891 and 1892 and were published in book form in 1892. No mention of Judas in them, as far as I can tell, but will investigate further. Perhaps there will be a connection with the letters of king Abgar to Jesus which Duval does mention quite a bit.

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